mnijonas
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 Jade Empire
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 |
 Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:32AM |
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While I am not here to argue about the quality of Jade Empire, it is an excellent game to be sure, one could only considere it to be a deep action game, rather than an RPG. Jade could only be considered an RPG by the standard's set by the previous generation games, on last generation systems. To me, it is the logical next step of action games, the evolution of action games such as Onimusha, if you like. Compare Jade to current RPG's (Morrowind) and MMORPG's (ohh... say WoW) and there is no other conclusion. I hope BioWare will continue the good work and narrow the gap in future games. |
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gollum265
Game Owner
 Jade Empire
Joined: 04 Apr 2005 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:38AM |
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If you remember what RPG stands for, it is role playing game. And certainly, in this game, you play a specific character and the game goes into great detail in developing your character (as well as others). It depends on your definition of what RPG is. If many levels and lots of items is your definition, then Jade Empire would for sure not fit under the category. And the game's complexity is more subtle... there is not need for complicated dungeous and plotlines to create an enjoyable and engrossing adventure. |
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mnijonas
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Jade Empire
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:49AM |
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If an RPG is just a 'role playing game', then any number of action games could be considred RPG's, such as Onimusha. Epic story, check. Character development with detail, check. But, you would agree that Onimusha is not an RPG. Currently what an RPG comprises is more than just an immersive, linear story with character development. It is freedom for the player to develop in an immersive environement, which is what Jade lacks with it's 'streamlining'. I am not saying that the game is poor, but it is no RPG... |
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BRVolition
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
From: The Imperial City |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:59AM |
Quote: Posted 04/21/05 02:49:20 (GMT) by mnijonas
It is freedom for the player to develop in an immersive environement, which is what Jade lacks with it's 'streamlining'.
I disagree with you completely. Just because it doesn't have dozens of different stats doesn't mean you don't have the freedom to develop your character. Between your openpalm/closedfist alignment, body/mind/spirit stats, dragon amulet, techniques, romancing with followers, and choosing and upgrading your fighting styles, I think the game offers quite a bit of PC development.
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MightySword
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 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
SW: KotOR PC
Jade Empire
NWN 2
Mass Effect
Joined: 14 Feb 2003
From: Cyperspace |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:02AM |
As long as game like Suikoden, Chrono Cross or Final Fantasy are called RPG. Then game like JE is RPG.
Because if you set those value of customization up, how much do these game above have? Yet they're still RPG.
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Volourn
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 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
SW: KotOR PC
NWN 2
NWN 2: MotB
NWN 2: SoZ
Mass Effect
Joined: 17 Oct 2001
From: North Bay, Ontario, Canada |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:12AM |
JE is a rpg. It's more of a RPG than 99% of PC RPGs. It has friggin' dialogue skills that allows you top persuade, intimidate, or conjole npcs to see thinsg your way. Multiple ways to do things, and the different ways effect the game world. Soldi characetr creation to make our characetr different from others and make it your own.
This is a RPG. It is the veryd efinition of a RPG.
Period. End of dicussion. Game over.
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mnijonas
Game Owner
Jade Empire
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:12AM |
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It is true that there is PC development in the game. I do not deny that. But it is limited. By which I mean, most of the PC development is superficial. At the heart of the gameplay is the basic rock/paper/scissors system. You know, immune to this, have to use that. All PC development affects this basic system. This has more in common with action/adventure games rather than CURRENT RPG's that allow for the freedom to decide how to defeat foes, where next to go and explore, and how to get there. Jade is a game of tactics, rather than strategy, again more this has common with action games than CURRENT RPG's. |
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Volourn
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
SW: KotOR PC
NWN 2
NWN 2: MotB
NWN 2: SoZ
Mass Effect
Joined: 17 Oct 2001
From: North Bay, Ontario, Canada |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:14AM |
Huh? I have full contorl if how to win a fight, and I got control where I wanna go for the most aprt ecept where the story takes me and I also have control where the story goes and how it ultiamtely unfolds. That's a RPG.
Sure better than 99% of RPGs out there.
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Tao Fang
Game Owner
 Jade Empire
Jade Empire:SE
Joined: 09 Dec 2004 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:17AM |
Jade Empire = Action RPG. This game has lots of ways to build your character it's just different from the normal thing. Does different make it not a rpg or even close to one. No. Since when does every game have to meet certain standards or be like every other game you would consider to be a rpg to be a rpg.
I am getting sick of all these rpg fanboys claiming that rpg's all have to be a certain way to be considered an rpg. Don't be affraid of something being different for crying out loud. I love rpg's. Jade Empire to me is one. Just different and different for me is a good thing right now. |
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BRVolition
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
From: The Imperial City |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:20AM |
Quote: Posted 04/21/05 03:12:42 (GMT) by mnijonas
It is true that there is PC development in the game. I do not deny that. But it is limited. By which I mean, most of the PC development is superficial.
Ah, I think you're very wrong there. What part is superficial? If you ask me, they got rid of all the superficial development.
Quote: This has more in common with action/adventure games rather than CURRENT RPG's that allow for the freedom to decide how to defeat foes, where next to go and explore, and how to get there.
Jade Empire allows you to do that as much as other RPGs I can name.
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mnijonas
Game Owner
Jade Empire
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:23AM |
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Morrowind... |
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mnijonas
Game Owner
Jade Empire
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:23AM |
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This is already the best thread in the Forum... |
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BRVolition
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
From: The Imperial City |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:24AM |
Quote: Posted 04/21/05 03:23:11 (GMT) by mnijonas
Morrowind...
...is a different kind of RPG than KotOR and JE. Not every game has to be as open-ended and statistically intimidating as Morrowind. BioWare has a different approach to RPGs, and to me, while more action-oriented than their previous RPGs, Jade Empire is still very much a role-playing game, where you can create and shape your player character in dramatically different ways.
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mnijonas
Game Owner
Jade Empire
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:28AM |
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Yes, it is a different game. Jade Empire and Morrowind are different games. Too different to even be in the same genre, wouldn't you say? |
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Flying Monk U
Game Owner
 Jade Empire
Joined: 15 Apr 2005
From: New Orleans |
Posted: Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:28AM |
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I agree with mnijonas's earlier statement that Jade Empire is an evolution. For me it has finally perfected a videogame experience working both sides of my brain. Very therapeutic. Open Palm all the way. |
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